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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004)
| | Added by Johnson Mclee on 2004-06-26 23:37:44 |
How could you like this film? It is propaganda to the nth degree; something that this country doesn't need right now. All criticizing the president does is create unneeded dissent in the country.
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004)
| | Added by Kevin on 2004-06-27 00:32:27 |
Absolutely! No criticizing the president! No criticizing the president! No criticizing the president! No criticizing the president! No criticizing the president! No criticizing the president! No criticizing the president! No criticizing the president! Let him ruin the country but... No criticizing the president! No criticizing the president! No criticizing the president! No criticizing the president!
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004)
| | Added by Greg on 2004-06-27 01:40:03 |
Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004)
>>Added by Johnson Mclee on 2004-06-26
>>All criticizing the president does is create >>unneeded dissent in the country.
Have you actually seen the film or are you making assumptions about its contents? While Moore is definitely subjective, he uses facts to back up his assertions.
Saying that someone shouldn't criticize the president because of the state of the union is ludicrous, especially, if as Moore suggests the president may well be responsible for what is going on (with regards to Iraq).
The second the media stops questioning what's going on - as has largely been the case recently - and the public refuses to stay involved, you are by default giving the government carte blanch to do what they want. Personally, that scares the hell out of me.
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004)
| | Added by Johnson Mclee on 2004-06-27 02:11:31 |
It would only scare a person that is prone to paranoia, which you obviously are. Pathetic.
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004)
| | Added by PatriotMan on 2004-06-27 02:25:17 |
Read the constitution. Dissent is a guaranteed right, thanks to our founding fathers. Maybe if President Bush spent more time reading the constitution and less time reading his bible, he'd stop acting like divine providence entitles him to run roughshod around the world using our miltary might to jam his agendas down the throats of the rest of the world. The only thing "pathetic" is your Pollyanna "We gotta support the president no matter what he does silliness." That's not the way a democracy works.
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004)
| | Added by Bill King on 2004-06-27 03:41:30 |
Excellent review Greg. As for these people saying we shouldn't criticize the president, they obviously need to start studying the constitution. If the president is doing a terrible job, then he *should* be criticized. Thomas Jefferson said that of the rights mentioned in the 1st Amendment, freedom of the press is the most important. Without freedom of the press, the people would not have a means to question the government, therefore stifling freedom of speech.
Most people's knowledge of the constitution is limited to maybe a few weeks of instruction during high school and the one required constitution class required at most universities (one semester). I've taken a very serious interest in this document for the last five years. There is no paranoia when we see the federal government violating its powers left and right.
What are congress' powers? Take a look at Article 1 Section 8, and the amendments, paying particularly close attention to the 10th amendment, the most violated amendment of the constitution.
Bush on TV: "I trust the people of America."
If that were true, he would abolish social security and *trust* the people to save their own money for retirement. He doesn't trust the people of American to save for retirement, hence no desire to abolish social security.
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004)
| | Added by LTC on 2004-06-27 12:19:51 |
there isnt anything worthy about "F911".
in terms of production, its just editing, splicing and manipulating of other people's existing footage and nothing original, unique or creative in cinematography.
in terms of format, its a montage of visuals are for the austin power-south park-mtv mentality who are too lazy to think, the uninformed and to those grasping for straws to fit and affirm their world view as what they would like it to be rather than what it really is.
in terms of contents, its nothing new that for years been floating around in various sources printed and on the underground web sites that uses circumstantial-connect the dots-unsubstantiated conspiracy theory- preaching to the choir-misinformation propaganda.
sadly, its a film with no redeeming qualitites will surely win the "jim sharman's ("rocky horror picture show")-marcus nispel's ("texas chainsaw massacre")" film festival award
too bad moore was born at the wrong time and wrong country for he would be a smashing success working with the geheime staatspolizei (gestapo) in germany or the komitet gosudarstvennoy bezopasnosti (kbg) of the u.s.s.r.
Michael Moore "Behave yourself, will you? Go find real work!"
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004)
| | Added by John Ulmer on 2004-06-28 05:16:44 |
LTC that last paragraph was one of the funniest things I've read all day.
"too bad moore was born at the wrong time and wrong country for he would be a smashing success working with the geheime staatspolizei (gestapo) in germany or the komitet gosudarstvennoy bezopasnosti (kbg) of the u.s.s.r."
:P
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004)
| | Added by Jake on 2004-07-09 01:42:35 |
I dunno. I love dissent. I love free speech. I do not love our current president a horrible lot. I'm more than happy to see a documentary that really and truly examines what the Bush administration is really all about, and presents the truth (be it sinister or--however unlikely--complimentary).
Which is why I'm kind of pissed off that Michael Moore got the honors. His work has been so thoroughly and consistently riddled with mistakes, assumptions, illogic and outright deception that he is just about the last person I would want to represent my side in a public forum. And yet, here he is. He's a brilliant filmmaker, no doubt about it--that he could make such emotionally powerful, award-winning films with such a tenuous relationship to the truth proves it--but as a *documentarian* he's an embarrassment. I'm starting to think he would better advance his own goals by making a pro-Bush documentary and letting the left rip its credibility to shreds.
Note that it's not a lack of objectivity I'm complaining about. Having a subjective, clearly stated point of view is one thing; consciously altering undebatable facts in order to support said point of view is something far graver.
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004)
| | Added by patman on 2004-08-04 06:08:28 |
Of all the comments I read, I agree with Jake the most... F911 is not a bad movie, it does make you think and wonder what's going on (which I believe is one of Moore's intended points), BUT-- the lopsided editing was almost cartoonish in it's attempt to paint Bush as an evil/ignorant president...
To be honest, I was much more concerned with "Bowling For Columbine" and the connection that Moore made with the "Fear" that we are all living in and how our society has been affected. That type of constant fear does indeed let us allow others to make decisions for us without questioning the method or motive. The "Patriot Act" is a perfect example of decisions being made for us that are maybe not realy in our best interest... Big Brother, anybody??
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004)
| | Added by Mike Sadowski on 2004-08-19 03:01:32 |
I honestly love this film. I cannot stand George Bush one bit and I personally think that Moore did a great job in writing his "documentary".
Supposidly, from what I had heard, this film is supposed to sway the votes from Bush when the movie comes out on DVD and VHS by up to 10%. Go figure.
- Mike.
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004)
| | Added by Dimitri on 2004-08-25 22:52:50 |
Michael Moore lied when he said the bin Laden family was spirited out of the country without being questioned. The government said that the bin Laden family had been questioned extensively and even Osama's brother said that while he enjoyed Michael Moore's film, Moore was mistaken when he said they hadn't been questioned and had implied that they had connections with the American government. I wonder how many other things Michael Moore lied about.
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For Dimitri
| | Added by nicolas on 2004-12-20 17:04:26 |
Dimitri,
Do you actually believe everything the Government says? (let alone Osama's Brother).
If Michael Moore's data (the one he uses to backup his arguments) is wrong, or filled with lies, then why is nobody suing him? I believe he knows more than what he shows us...
And to be honest, I believe Moore's intel is much Better than Bush's... which still cannot prove Iraq has WMDs...
:)
N
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